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Joey McDonald At CLAW Supplied By Jaco Lourens WebFor those who don’t already know, please tell us about yourself, your Leather titles and how you are connected to the community.

Hey there, my name is Joey McDonald. I’m 57 years old and a native Chicagoan, but have also lived in Norfolk and Virginia Beach, Virginia and Key West, Florida. I am a US Navy Veteran who served as an openly gay sailor (long, long before Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell). I was lucky enough traveled around the world by the time I was honorably discharged, having visited 32 countries. In the mid-80s, I owned a catering and event planning business. I am a trained master weaver, and spent 15 years in the interior design industry designing and weaving luxury/high-end upholstery fabrics.

I worked for LGBT equality in Illinois until April 2013. I currently work as a Community Health Advocate, serving the homeless, recovering/addicted and HIV/AIDS impacted people and am going to school to get certified as a Certified Alcohol and Drug Counselor.

Although I never won a Leather title, I competed for and was a runner-up for Mr. Windy City 1981. I am a member of the Executive Committee of International Mr. Leather, Inc.  (IML). I have served as the IML Den Daddy for the past eight years, working with the men who compete each year.  I have the distinction of having volunteered at every IML since its beginning in 1979.

 

 

 

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Featuring: Chuck Renslow

  1. For those who don’t already know, please tell us about yourself and what your titles are.

    I started the first leather bar in the United States and have been an advocate for the leather and gay community since then. I have been a Mason, photographer, psychologist, accredited hypnotist and many more. In the Leather community I’m referred as “Sir,” Daddy or Master.

  2. You got an amazing story to tell and I think so many of us consider you a pioneer, if you would, tell us who got you started in the leather community and what prompted the decision to start a contest called International Mr. Leather?

    My lover in the early sixties was Dom Orejudos, also known as the artist "Etienne.” One evening I went to a park in Chicago called bug house square I picked up a gentleman, I took him home and told him:  “I want to fuck you.” He said: “you will have to fight me for it!” Fighting him until he got submissive was a great turn on. From that point on I was aggressive in my sexual activity.

    I started the Mr. Gold Coast Contest. It became so popular the bar couldn’t handle the crowd so we decided to move somewhere else but the Mr. Gold Coast could not be held out of the bar so we moved it out to a hotel and renamed it International Mr. Leather. In order to promote it I had posters made up and mailed to every leather bar in the world that I could locate. I even translated one into German and sent it to the German leather bars.

  3. You have received just about every award in the gay and lesbian, leather community, can you perhaps narrow it down, some of your favorite awards that stand out and mean the most to you?

    I have received many awards. And all of them are at the Leather Archives and Museum. three of the awards that stand out are: the one from the gay and lesbian task force because they have done so much good for the entire gay community, the one by the Metropolitan Community Church, because they helped so many people that needed religion in their lives and could not find acceptance in the mainstream churches. And the third one was the leather man of the century.

  4. Family is important, you've been a Daddy to many, and trust is earned and very important, can you tell us about your family who are at your side now?

    I consider the entire gay community as my family. Right now my lover Juan is at my side and I am surrounded by people who had been around me for decades.

  5. Who is the most influential person in your life and why?

    I was basically raised by my grandmother since my mother worked and my dad had left us. I consider most of my attributes to my grandmother: she was practical, smart and very logical. She became a very successful business woman after my grandfather died.

  6. In your mind, what’s the biggest misconception of the leather community?

    People think that the leather man just is into beating each other up etc. They don’t realize there is a great deal of love and compassion in the leather community.

  7. What does unity in leather mean to you?

    We have to do away with all the prejudices and jealousy and other negative forces in the BDSM community.

  8. What do you see for the future of leather in your community and internationally?

    I think the future will show more acceptances between the men's leather community and the women's leather community and the general public.

  9. Tell us what your favorite piece of leather is and why?

    A vest that have my name and the International Mr. Leather logo all in studs, made by Studworks in San Francisco.

  10. You have done countless opening, closing and key note speeches; can you tell us some of your favorite or perhaps a funniest moment?

    In so many of my speeches I have advocated that which I felt was beneficial to our community. Most of them, the community listens and follows through.

  11. For someone who never attended IML (International Mr. Leather), what would you say to him or her, why they should attend the event in Chicago?

    IML is the largest leather gathering in the world. It is a lifetime experience and if you attend you will feel camaraderie with a great leather community. We are all brothers and sisters. One big loving family!

  12. In your own words, can you tell us the difference between BDSM and Leather?

    Leather is merely a symbol. Some people are into different aspects of BDSM, such as just bondage, or the masculine image of leather.

  13. What’s the funniest safe word you ever heard?

    “Little purple prunes”

  14. You have said that you enjoy cooking, and don’t particularly like the cleaning part, please can you cook us a meal that represent you and what would it be called?

    That's easy! Prime Rib with whipped sweet potatoes and cream corn. And for dessert Pecan Pie.

  15. Away from Leather, would you tell us what one of your guilty pleasures are?

    Watching Spanish Soap Operas... I don't understand a word they say yet. But the men are so handsome! I also like to watch men getting fucked.

  16. Tell us your favorite book at this moment.

    Easy: “Steel and Velvet: a soldier's story” by Juan Cordoba. It kind of reminds my other favorite book “The Persian Boy.”

  17. In conclusion, anything you would like to add to this interview for the leather community of South Africa?

    Keep unity. We are all in the fraternity of leather. We are family, we may not like everyone but we will support every single one because they are part of who we are.

 

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1.       For those who don’t know you, please tell us about yourself & what your titles are.

First the easy part:  As far as titles are concerned, all mine have been given to me as honorary titles.

1999 Man of the Year from National Leather Association International

2007 Lifetime Achievement Award from National Leather Association International

2010 Recipient of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Leather Leadership Award

 2012 Presidents Award - Pantheon of Leather

Now the hard part:  I am a native Texan and have been active in the LGBT community since the early 1970's.  I became fascinated with Leather in the late 1970's and stepped into my first Leather bar sometime around 1978.  Since that fateful day I have continued on my Leather journey and am a former member of the Dallas Motorcycle Club, Leather Rose Society, National Leather Association, Discipline Corps and a founding member of Inquisition Dallas.

I have written many articles on Leather/BDSM topics and am the author of four books currently in circulation including "Family Jewels, a Guide to Male Genitortureand Torment "and” Soul of a Second Skin-Memoirs of a Gay Christian Leatherman."

I have also directed a few films on Leather/BDSM subjects including "Leather" a short film-poem  about the gay male Leather experience and "Out of the Darkness, the Reality of SM" a documentary on the critical difference between SM and abuse.

Professionally I am a Marketing Specialist and I live in Dallas with my boy/partner of 18 years Patrick and our feline mistress, Elvira.

2.      What or who got you started in the leather community and for how long?

What drew me to Leather was the hyper-masculinity of it.  I never considered myself feminine; nor was I attracted to feminine men.  Leather just pushed all the right buttons for me and once I  got involved I fund that I really liked rough sex and SM. 

The community, as such, didn't really exist when I came in, but the subsequent AIDS crisis pulled  us together and gave us a real sense of purpose.  We, in Dallas, started educating our community to the many ways sex could be hot and kinky and still be safer-sex.

3.       Which club or bar are you affiliated with and tell us more about the history?

Currently I am a member of NLA: Dallas and Discipline Corps.  NLA: Dallas is a pan-sexual organization with a mission to educate and network Leather/Fetish/BDSM folk of all sexual orientations and genders.

Discipline Corps is a men-only social and play group whose primary focus is monthly dungeon parties and having a good time!

When I go to a bar it is the Dallas Eagle, our local Leather bar, though I am not officially affiliated with it the owners, Mark Frasier and Jeffery Payne are close friends of mine.

4.       How did you enjoy being one of the judges at IML XXX5 and what were your favorite moments?

Judging at IML was an amazing experience.  I was worn out form the long days, but energized by the great men I met during the experience.  I knew most of the judges before the contest, though I did make new friends since a couple of the judges were new faces to me.  We all bonded immediately and the contestants were all outstanding.  The final choice was very hard, since any of the Top 20 could have easily been a wonderful IML.

My favorite moments were getting to meet so many folks from outside the US, and the South African delegation was a particular joy!

5.       Tell us about your charity involvement and goals.

As far as charity work I have several.  My contributions to my church, Cathedral of Hope are an ongoing passion of mine.  We even have a full pew of Leather folk wearing their colors every Sunday.  I also work with Kiva, a micro loan organization that funds small businesses and individuals across the world.

I serve as Chairman of the Board for the Woodhull Sexual Freedom Alliance in Washington, DC and work raising funds to support it and its many programs.

6.       Tell us about your leather family.

My leather family is small, just me and my boy/partner.  My extended Leather family is larger.  About 8-10 close friends who I think of as family.  Beyond that I have a large circle of friends who I have met at events and contests all over the continent and they too, are like family.  I consider them my Leather cousins.

7.       Who is the most influential person in your life and why?

I have to say my father.  He taught me a lot as far as values and how to treat other people.  He was authentic and honest and I try to emulate that.  He loved his work and his family.  He was intellectually curious and being a scientist, he never stopped learning, and that is something I think I got from him.

8.       In your mind, what’s the biggest misconception of the leather community?

The biggest misconception I see about the Leather community is that we are some sort of homogenous group with a written code of conduct and values.  No such thing.  We are as varied as the general population, except for our love of kink and Leather.  As a whole I have found our community does communicate more than the average vanilla folk, and I attribute that to the fellowship of our organizations and to the need for communication when we play.

9.       What would you say are the most important strengths to have as a Leather man?

Honesty, authenticity and a good bull-shit detector. 

10.   What does leather mean to you?

I could prattle on about this topic forever but I would sound like I was doing a canned speech for a title contest.  In reality leather means as many different things as there are people involved in it.  Some simply are drawn to the fetish.  Leather clothes and gear are sensual, organic and arousing.  Some are drawn to the BDSM aspect of it.  That was part of my attraction. 

Leather folk, the energetic and intense encounters that SM play offers.  I went into it thinking I would be a "grey Hankie" guy.  Only into bondage and light SM but quickly realized that bondage was really not very interesting to me and more hard-core SM was my thing.  Changed my hankie to black and never looked back.

11.   What do you see for the future of leather in your community and internationally?

It is in a state of flux.  Leather always changes, as sexual pioneers we are on the edges of what is possible physically and sexually and so there will always be something different and new.  I see a disturbing trend to try to turn back the clock and relive the glory days of Leather in the 1970's, but surprisingly the people who are trying to do that are predominately straight.  They have adopted the Leatherman look as though it was a codified uniform and remind me of " Renfair" folks, donning period costumes and role playing at Leather. 

12.   What does sexual freedom mean to you?

As someone who came of age I the late 1960's sexual freedom means being able to define my sexuality on my own terms  Being able to enjoy consensual activities with other adults and not have to conform to any rigid rules.  I have begin to think of myself more as "Queer" than gay, not because I do not have an affectional orientation toward men, but because I enjoy playing with anyone so long as we click and our goals are the same.  Sexual freedom is a basic human right, it is up to us to define it and express it and celebrate it.

13.   Whats your view on the huge anti-gay wave that is happening in certain states in America? What do you think people can do to protect their rights and help others retain it?

What you mentioned as the "anti-gay wave" sweeping parts of the country is not a massive display of anti-gay sentiment in my opinion.  It is the last gasp of the hard core bigoted right.  Their attitudes are dying out.  Public opinion polls show most Americans believe in equality for LGBT citizens. What these anti-gay laws are is an attempt by the right to change the framing of the issue from "equality" to "religious freedom" or as I call it the freedom to hate.

All of these attempt have failed and even in far-right leaning states like Arizona.  Even there the Governor recognized it's not a religious freedom issue it is equal rights. The laws are clumsily crafted and over reaching to begin with and would not withstand judicial scrutiny, so I have o believe its just politics and its not working.

14.   We all have so many issues we want to highlight, please tell us what cause is close to your heart right now and how are you involved?

The issue closest to my heart is the cause of sexual freedom.  I believe sexual freedom is a fundamental human right and as such it needs to be protected and nourished.  To that end, I work with the Woodhull Sexual Freedom Alliance, a human rights group with the focus on sexual freedom.  In fact I am chairperson of the board.  That's how involved I am and how important it is. 

We work to affect policy concerning sex education, freedom of speech, sex workers and gender and sexual inequality.  It's a great organization that has made a real difference for our country.  Woodhull holds the gender and sexuality seat on the US Human Rights Network, the group which monitors our country's adherence to the UN Declaration of Human Rights.

15.   What advice can you give a future title holder?

Be authentic, approachable and honest.  Bull-shitters stick out like sore thumbs.  The title holders I know and admire are all down to earth folks who try to use their titles to benefit the community not themselves.

16.   Tell us what your favorite piece of Leather is and why?

Other than my hat, my favorite piece of Leather is my flogger.  It was made by Janet Hartwood and designed to fit me perfectly.  The falls are longer than most folks like, but they balance perfectly with the handle and the flogger becomes an extension of my body when I play.  I have several floggers and all were custom made for me.  I believe if you invest in quality your toys will live as long as you do.

17.   In your own words, can you tell us the difference between BDSM and Leather?

Hard to say.  I used to think of them as the same, but apparently there are folk who see a big distinction.  Leather does not imply SM, it can simply be a fetish.  It is also a different kind of community and that is what sets it apart nowadays.  To some folks Leather can only be gay men and BDSM is pan-sexual.  There is another word that is loaded with nuance.  Pan-sexual was a word coined by the Leather community to describe its inclusion of all sexual orientations, but has been co-opted by the straight community to mean "heterosexual" sexual orientation with some lesbians thrown in for spice.  If I sound cynical, that's because I have seen this in practice.  Play space where two women playing together was acceptable if they were playing in ways that the men enjoyed, but men playing together got stares and snide comments.

Personally I don't have problems playing in the newly defined "pan-sexual" spaces, I think a Leather person can define their own Leather-space and create a scene wherever it works. 

18.   Please tell us exactly what is beyond vanilla & what are your favorite activities you indulge in?

I would think anything that goes beyond plain sex would qualify as beyond vanilla.  Spankings, role play, bondage, SM all of it moves beyond vanilla for me.  My favorite activities are floggings and clothespins and CBT, but most often these are woven into some kind of erotic experience.  I think all SM is better with an element of Eros.  It doesn't have to be penetrative sex, but without a sexual aspect it has less appeal for me.

19.   What’s the funniest safe word that you have heard?

Then comes the safe word.  I have heard lots of strange ones from "aardvark" to "Pontiac". Personally, I like this system.  I tell my bottom or sub to call me "Sir" as long as he or she is having fun, and to call me "Hardy" if they need to talk.  It keeps the communication going and has never failed me.

20.   What’s your favorite drink? And if you could invent a cocktail for the Leather community and what would you call it?

Well I stopped drinking in 1986 so my favorite drink is sparkling mineral water.  My drink for the community would be just that, mineral water with a chaser of mouthwash, cause I love kissing and detest bad breath!

18.   We would love to have you visit South Africa in the future, what classes do you think we could benefit from?

I do a lot of classes, but my favorites are a workshop I call "Putting Sex Back in SM." The pan-sexual dungeons in the US are notoriously tepid when it comes to palpable eroticism.  Many do not allow sexual activities for legal reasons and some just are uncomfortable with sex.  This workshop is intended to put that spark of the erotic back into the play in the dungeon and discusses and demonstrates how scenes can become erotic encounters with no "traditional sex" happening.

My "Family Jewels" workshop is always fun.  Concentrating on CBT and how it can become part of a scene.  I explain the use of toys, safety and exploration of various aspects of genitorture.

I have a complete list of classes I present I can provide you.

19.   In conclusion, anything you would like to add to this interview for the Leather community of South Africa?

I would add that the Leather community in South Africa seems to be vibrant and growing and I encourage you to continue to explore, share what you learn and nurture the next generation of Leatherfolk.  To them you will become the "Old Guard" and with that is the heavy responsibility of knowing you are setting an example for future generations.  Play hard, play safe, have fun!

 

Hardy Haberman

Conversations With Leather by Jaco Lourens

      

 

lourens-botha1. Please tell us about yourself, and your connection to the leather world.

I am a 51 year old white male and was till recently the secretary of the SA Leathemen Cape Town chapter. I have been the manager for 5.5 years at the oldest Gay male only guest house in SA until it was sold in April 2013. I also dabble into making small leather products for myself and anyone who might be interested, supplying the local bar and an online sex shop with various small leather products. I try and help create an environment in our community where we can be proud to be out and open about our leather community.

2. How long have you been into leather, what or who got you started?

I was introduced to the leather world by my ex boyfriend in 2000. Whilst we were dating he was working at the local leather bar "Bar-Code" when it was still situated in Hudson street Cape Town. Since he worked nights and I was working days it became clear to me to join him in working at the bar. And what an eye opener that was.

3. Which club or bar are you affiliated with and tell us more about the history?

I did always go to Barcode but the scene has changed so much that I no longer feel that it is the bar for me. We now mostly gather at Lions Corner in Observatory or at Amsterdam bar in Greenpoint. With the community being quite small it is difficult to have a bar that solely caters for the Leather community as a whole.

4. Tell us about your charity involvement and goals.

I personally support "The Gay Pride Shelter" and volunteer there on a permanent basis in doing all their handyman work. I have also together with the Golden Gay foundation raised funds and collected food and clothing for them to be distributed amongst our desperate and in need members of the broader gay and Lesbian community. The Pride shelter is one of the nonprofit organizations that give back to our people. It is time that we start looking after our own.

5. Who is the most influential person in your life and why?

My Mom, she is my hero. She supports and loves me unconditionally and has never made me feel anything less than the most beautiful person she has brought into this world. I am very lucky and happy to enjoy the full support from my whole family.

6. In your mind, what's the biggest misconception of the leather community?

I think the notion out there that we are sexual deviants that it is all about the sex in our community. We are so much more than just a sexual preference.

7. What would you say is the best thing that happened while at a leather function or event?

Experiencing the mindset change amongst an audience when they realize it is not all just about the fetish. When you see that spark in their eyes when they look at you and realize you are way more than their preconceived ideas and perceptions.

8. What does sexual freedom mean to you?

It means I can express myself sexually with whom I want and experiment without the fear of being persecuted, I n an environment of my choice.

9. What do you see for the future of leather in your community and internationally?

It is my strong believe that we as a male only Leather chapter should open up our group to include ALL the Leather brothers and sisters of South Africa. The only identifying criteria should be Leather; not whether we are male or female, gay or straight. It should become a totally inclusive group. At the moment it is just too fragmented to make any impact and that is why we will always be on the fringes of society unless we unite under single umbrella group structure.


 

10. Tell us what your favorite piece of leather is and why?

Oh that must be my harness......the smell and feel of the leather on my skin is just wow!!

thumb lourens-botha-south-africa11. You are a very talented man, making leather, what piece of leather can you design, make to represent yourself?

I still want to make the perfect leather waistcoat for myself. With enough well placed inside pockets for your keys and other little tidbits....

12. In your own words, can you tell us how important it is to maintain sexual freedom and how should we continue to making sure we have our rights?

If you can no longer express your sexual freedom we will no doubt land up like our brothers and sisters in Russia. You will be persecuted just for whom you love and care for. And that in the whole will make you as an individual lose your identity to conform to narrow minded bigots idea of what a society must be. We did not choose to be gay; it is whom we are. I was born this way.

13. What are your favorite S&M activities and tell us one you haven't tried yet?

Welllllllll........... Now that would be telling..... Well I like the fisting scene as it is one of the most intense, trust building and intimate scenes I know. Would not mind being introduced to a little bondage....if I can get over the fear of being tied up.

14. What's the funniest safe word you ever heard?

Banana!

15. What's your favorite meal, and cook us a meal that represent you and what would it be called?

Oh it must be Lamb shank. I make a very nice Beef Curry. The complex spices and taste should just be right. Too little or too much and it is yuk!


 

16. Tell us your favorite book at this moment.

The Gay man's Kama Sutra

17. We both live in Cape Town, what 5 things would you show me and why?

  • Paternoster - the sea, open spaces, beauty and fresh air
  • Table Mountain – it is like standing over our beautiful land and looking as far as the eye can see and just take in the majestic view, the creation of a Higher Power.
  • The Pride shelter – to highlight the plight of our brothers and sisters in need.
  • A beautiful wine farm – to savor the flavours of our wines.
  • Blikkies dorp – the most impoverished community that still survives against all odds. Their needs and aspirations, and how we can help.

18. In conclusion, anything you would like to add to this interview for the leather community of South Africa?

Stand-up and stand together all the boys and girls! It does not matter who or what you are; if you love Leather then you are part of this community.

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